Hi Mobley, I agree that keeping up with the comments, with the Substack format is confusing. that’s why I try and always start with the name of the person I am ‘speaking’ to, but sometimes I forget.
I am a very proud Mexican, and a very proud Wellingtonian. I agree its not being managed in the best way currently, but I know some very hard working councilors doing the best they can. Thomas Nash specifically does amazing work!
Speaking as a proud Aucklander, I want to visit Mexico. But that Wellington place … I know I have heard of it … somewhere south of the Bombay Hills I understand. Exotic inhabitants apparently.
Lol John - Wellington... Exotic inhabitants apparently. That made me properly laugh out loud. Mexico will welcome you with open arms. Id start with Mexico City, for sure one of its highlights and my home town :)
Hi Tony. I think this thread, to a large extent, is about the structures of ‘who is in and who is out’ in New Zealand.
Nationalism, patriotism, parochialism, and rootedness all involve a strong sense of identity and belonging, whether to a nation or a local community. They emphasize loyalty and emotional attachment to one's country or local area, celebrate cultural heritage and traditions, and can sometimes lead to an exclusionary attitude towards outsiders.
I think a ‘Pom’ or ‘Mexican’ focus is exclusionary and unhelpful. I mean I think it really, really misses the boat. We are all here now. None of the four words includes a requirement for a person, in order to be a New Zealander, to eliminate a British feeling or Mexican identity. That is xenophobia imo.
I think ‘rootedness’ touches onto the core concept in a deeper, more fundamental and more engaging way than do nationalism, parochialism or patriotism.
You can't eliminate the characteristics of the culture you were born to but if you decide that another country is a better place to be for you, and they graciously allow you to become a citizen there, at least you can have the decency to attempt some outward looking involvement in characteristics now surrounding you. It won't long before your kids will.
Hi Mobley, i totally agree with you. I have been a migrant since I was four in Canada, then in USA when I was 13, then in Spain when i was 24 then in NZ when i was 29. my mom was a diplomat for the Mexican government, so we traveled a lot. I take my responsibility as a migrant very seriously, often knowing way more about my host country its history and context than most locals. However, I also know that people struggle with the idea of engaging with people from other countries. Theories are bountiful, but the reality in a nutshell is that we all struggle, and it’s hard and it will always be hard. We all have to do our part, host country and migrants. It should be a joint effort.
You missed the point.
Who missed the point? I'm confused by all of these lines on the left of my screen. They keep leading me down rabbit holes.
Hi Mobley, I agree that keeping up with the comments, with the Substack format is confusing. that’s why I try and always start with the name of the person I am ‘speaking’ to, but sometimes I forget.
You must be Mexican. Do you live in Wellington, the most poorly managed city in NZ?
I am a very proud Mexican, and a very proud Wellingtonian. I agree its not being managed in the best way currently, but I know some very hard working councilors doing the best they can. Thomas Nash specifically does amazing work!
Speaking as a proud Aucklander, I want to visit Mexico. But that Wellington place … I know I have heard of it … somewhere south of the Bombay Hills I understand. Exotic inhabitants apparently.
Lol John - Wellington... Exotic inhabitants apparently. That made me properly laugh out loud. Mexico will welcome you with open arms. Id start with Mexico City, for sure one of its highlights and my home town :)
Hi Tony. I think this thread, to a large extent, is about the structures of ‘who is in and who is out’ in New Zealand.
Nationalism, patriotism, parochialism, and rootedness all involve a strong sense of identity and belonging, whether to a nation or a local community. They emphasize loyalty and emotional attachment to one's country or local area, celebrate cultural heritage and traditions, and can sometimes lead to an exclusionary attitude towards outsiders.
I think a ‘Pom’ or ‘Mexican’ focus is exclusionary and unhelpful. I mean I think it really, really misses the boat. We are all here now. None of the four words includes a requirement for a person, in order to be a New Zealander, to eliminate a British feeling or Mexican identity. That is xenophobia imo.
I think ‘rootedness’ touches onto the core concept in a deeper, more fundamental and more engaging way than do nationalism, parochialism or patriotism.
You can't eliminate the characteristics of the culture you were born to but if you decide that another country is a better place to be for you, and they graciously allow you to become a citizen there, at least you can have the decency to attempt some outward looking involvement in characteristics now surrounding you. It won't long before your kids will.
Hi Mobley, i totally agree with you. I have been a migrant since I was four in Canada, then in USA when I was 13, then in Spain when i was 24 then in NZ when i was 29. my mom was a diplomat for the Mexican government, so we traveled a lot. I take my responsibility as a migrant very seriously, often knowing way more about my host country its history and context than most locals. However, I also know that people struggle with the idea of engaging with people from other countries. Theories are bountiful, but the reality in a nutshell is that we all struggle, and it’s hard and it will always be hard. We all have to do our part, host country and migrants. It should be a joint effort.
When I lived in Surrey for a couple of years I thoroughly enjoyed pretending to be a pommie stockbroker.
Totally.